Robb Wolf – The Paleo Diet Advantage

by on April 9, 2012      

in Health & Wellness

Robb Wolf

Robb Wolf
(with Keystone)

It’s a sad fact that most of us don’t know what it means to eat healthy. And how could we? As respected institutions the world over release conflicting studies on weight loss, nutrition, and diet, it’s becoming clear that the low-fat, heart-healthy approach has put us on the losing side of the battle of the bulge. But a new high-fat, high-protein diet called the “Paleo Diet” or “Caveman Diet” may hold the key to a tighter belt – and amazing breakthroughs in strength training and athletic endurance. Former research biochemist Robb Wolf, the author of the New York Times bestseller The Paleo Solution: The Original Human Diet, guides us through the paleo diet’s fascinating high-fat nutritional paradigm, which is based on grass-fed meat, wild-caught fish, and organic ingredients. Robb is the host of The Paleo Solution Podcast, the co-founder of The Performance Menu, a nutrition and athletic training journal, and the co-owner of NorCal Strength and Conditioning (one of the top 30 gyms in America) and paleo diet food company Paleo Brands Inc. He is also a former California State Powerlifting Champion who coaches athletes at the highest levels of competition. Join us with Robb Wolf as we take a deeper look into the Paleo Diet and its implications for established nutritional wisdom.

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1 Stan Johnson April 12, 2012 at 1:35 am

Sorry but this man is way off track with health! He says that at 40 he feels great well who shouldnt feel great at 40? I felt like I was 20 at that age. At 46 years old I turned vegan after 2 years as a vegetarian.Not only did turning vegan decrease the pain of a motorbike accident I had had 10 years earlier I felt much better all round. He says he was a vegan for 2 and a half years but he felt ill. Well he couldnt have been following a normal vegan diet to feel this way because vegans have much less chance of getting cancer than meat eaters and even vegetarians – in fact 40 percent less. And sorry Kim your not a vegetarian if you eat meat now and again. He says a few cherry picked studies showed the benefits of a vegan diet wrong again there are thousands of studies. And just like the Atkins diet the obsession of meat will cause problems for anyone who foolishly follows this diet. What does he think causes blocked arteries – broccoli? Meat killed my mother with a blockege to her heart it caused various cancers in all of my family All of whom ate meat. I have warned several friends about meat none of whom listened all of whom died at an early age.

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2 Kim Greenhouse April 12, 2012 at 6:46 am

Hi Stan,

Thanks for your passionate comment. I’m not sure we need to demonize meat. GMO seeds & animals, wheat and industrialized fake food and what we have done to food seems more of a real problem to me. It’s likely that you would benefit from a more holistic and comprehensive approach to diet and illness, one that included a full spectrum of information. For you, being a vegetarian works. For many, we don’t know until they have been one for many years, how much it is really working for the whole body and person.

Don’t be sorry for me for “eating meat” once in awhile after being a vegetarian for 20 years. I need to eat way more meat now and feel much better when I do. Balance and taking care of ourselves is a big key to health, happiness and overall wellness. I don’t accept that eating meat is dangerous. Perhaps eating sick meat is or certain kinds of meat is, let’s say if it is from a GMO animal or an animal that has been raised on wheat and grain products.

As for blocked arteries, that entire science is so outdated, misguided and is based on false scientific paradigm. I think people should be free to explore everything and see what works for themselves. “Meat” does not “cause” cancer. The way you cook it by burning it can induce cancer.

You might enjoy the segment we did with Cardiologist Thomas Levy when we talked about how the entire field of Cardiology is greatly misinformed. We talk about his new book, “Primal Panacea”, which I think you would learn a great deal from and really enjoy.

Your etiology is very personally biased, ie…”Meat killed my mother”. It would be good to invite more introspection in this area. You may learn some interesting things that were falsely considered the “cause” of ill health or death, when in fact they really weren’t “the cause”.

Thanks for listening and writing and we value your sharing. Keep coming back.

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3 Jack Kruse April 25, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Stan as a surgeon and physician I can tell you without a doubt Mr. Wolf is spot on. This is precisely how we were built to eat and live by Mother Nature. You need to check your own dogma. The studies you cite are flawed……..Read anything by Loren Cordain to refute anything vegan dogma. They are a religious cult, pure and simple.

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4 Stan Johnson April 12, 2012 at 3:14 pm

Hello Kim,
First I want to say that your show is fantastic its the best. You have had some great minds on the show some verging on genius. But as a trained journalist we are told to be objective, so I think you should get the other side of the argument from professor T Colin Campbell a professor of bio chemistry. His book The China Study looks at a study of 800,000,000 people and the incidence of cancer in China, so you can hardly say there is no evidence of meat not being the cause. Also you should check out Food Nutrition and the prevention of cancer; a global perspective by The World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research. Because only animals make cholesterol not plants.Ive heard the interview with Thomas Levy very interesting and informative.

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5 Kim Greenhouse April 13, 2012 at 11:19 am

Dear Stan,

T Colin Campbell was invited last year and has been the only person in the medical arena to refuse an interview with me. As for The China Study, as compared to the Chinese diet, that is where the rubber meets the road. The Chinese eat snakes, fish eyes, every single thing that lives and moves. So to say all meat is the same is not true. What meat is being compared? How is it cooked? How is it raised? These questions are the devil in the details. We don’t get these answers in The China Study.

As for the World Cancer Research Funds and The American Institute for Cancer; almost everyone connected with mainstream Cancer research is involved in fraud. Sorry, too many cures have been suppressed for me to be interested in “CUT, BURN, POISON”. Thanks for the compliment about the show. I am objective. I just am not interested in providing another platform for FRAUD, CRIMINAL MALPRACTICE & PROPAGANDA.

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6 Stan Johnson April 14, 2012 at 6:15 am

Hello Kim,
I couldnt agree more with you about cut, burn and poison I have done quite a few articles on alternative therapies in the magazine i wrote for more than 10 years. So you’re really talking to the converted here. As a vegan I think it is morally wrong to kill any living creature as Joan Baez sang ” …there but fortune go you or I.” And if we had been born an animal which some religions beleive happens when we die, it could have been us. If you read a book called ‘The Dreaded Comparison’ which compares the attrocities that were inflicted on black people with that inflicted every second of the day on millions of animals you will understand that it is wrong to kill or brutalise living creatures.

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7 Jack Kruse April 25, 2012 at 5:08 pm

I’d just like to add that T. Colin Campbell works has been largely proven fraudulent by a rising star named Denise Minger, on her blog. As a grad student and former vegan she went back and found out that Campbell is totally FOS and fudged his data to fit an agenda. She is an awesome blogger and speaker. I have heard her speak and her blog rocks. Campbell’s and Ornish’s have hurt more humans than one could imagine. Denise is at http://rawfoodsos.com/

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8 Stan Johnson April 26, 2012 at 4:56 am

Well if youd rather beleive a little schoolgirl wannabe compared to a scientist with decades of research in one of the most prestigious universities in the world, not to mention he was brought up on a cattle ranch as was Dr Caldwell Eccstein and Howard Lyman all now vegans. People who work in slaughter houses have the highest incidence of cancer than any other job.

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9 Jack Kruse April 26, 2012 at 9:36 am

Yes I would. Denise has exposed him as a fraud. In my world that speaks volumes. He has no credibility any longer. But if you want to believe eating vegetables is good for yoru telomere lengths and think the work of Elizabeth Blackburn is false because of your dogma do so. You will pay that toll later in your life. Your choice. Caldwell is a complete joke in medicine. He is a former General Surgeon with no nutritional training. I would not recommend his work to any of my patients. Wolf is a research biochemist who has thousands of clinic cases he has helped and he works with world class researchers like Matt LaLonde at Harvard and Loren Cordain. Robb Wolf work is above board. He is now been given the chance to test the paleolithic diet out in Reno Nevada to change people’s health and save the metro county money. Healthcare needs people like Robb since his approach is cheap and easy to employ. The results I have seem in my own practice using this ancestral diet based upon Evolutionary data that spans 2.5 million years is far better than any RCT I have ever read. Stan you need to read a lot more because your current neolithic thoughts will subjugate your paleolithic genome. It’s time you get real data from people who are not frauds.

10 Stan Johnson April 13, 2012 at 2:19 am

Hello Kim,
My mother died of Atheroma -Atheroma ‘A diet rich in animal fats is the principle cause’ -Oxford Medical Dictionary

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11 Kim Greenhouse April 13, 2012 at 11:14 am

I guess you trust Oxford Medical Dictionary. You may enjoy the interview coming up next week on Fat and Cholesterol.

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12 Stan Johnson April 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Hello Kim,
yes I will be interested. When I went to the doctor he thought I was on cholesterol drugs because my cholesterol was so good. Even though i am slim build I lost half a stone when I became vegan. I go to the gym 3 times a week do unarmed combat have an allotment (A Big garden) and I work 30 hours a week and I was for 3 years also at university and at the age of 64 i would say that was not bad. I would be hard pushed to find any meat eaters of my age in my town with that sort of energy, so a vegan diet hasnt harmed me.

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13 Stan Johnson April 14, 2012 at 7:56 am

Hello Kim,
I’m on your side, I couldnt agree more about the cut, burn and poison brigade (see my other post). Could I suggest Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Neal Barnard, Dr. Caldwell Eccleston, Dr. Michael Klapper, Charlotte Gerson? In fact Ive used alternative therapies on myself with success and on my animals. I have tried to persuade many people within my family and friends to use alternative metghods all declined all are dead. My wife was in Afghanistan with the Russian army as a medical doctor, she also wont listen even though the cut burn and poison brigade are leading her to an early grave.

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14 Stan Johnson April 26, 2012 at 4:12 am

My wife trained as doctor her sister is a consultant heart surgeon and all her family are doctors but that couldnt stop the oncologist giving my brother in law the wrong advice causing him to die early from cancer. If he’d forgon radiation and chemotherapy and changed to a vegan diet he may have survived longer (sorry would have lived longer). Anthropological studies studies show that early man was a vegetarian. it would not have been possible to eat meat without fire or tools. and our intestinal tract is much shorter than a real carnivores plus hydrochloric acid is many times stronger in a real carnivore but people are so addicted to meat that even when they get heart disease, cancer and diabetes they won’t admit it then take a pill which will shorten their lives. I prefer to live a long life and not adhere to the New World Orders plan of population control through vaccines, flouride, radiation, chemotherapy etc and the wrong therapies. Christianity is a religious cult put in place to control us . The world would be a better place for all of us and we’d be healtheir if everybody was vegan not to mention the barbaric murder and cruelty involved in the meat industry.

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15 Stan Johnson April 27, 2012 at 1:17 am

Jack,
This little girls research is badly written she doesnt offer any scientific evidence and her comments are immature like a love sick teenage girls letter to an agony aunt column. Im 64 train unarmed combat twice a week, swim twice a week go to the gym, cycle and do many other physical exercises when you can do that at 64 come back to me.

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16 Stan Johnson April 27, 2012 at 2:50 am

Meat eaters versus vegan
Brother in law dead, heart attack at 63 meat eater famous last words:
“Get some meat into you Stan.”
Friends wife dead 48, famous last words; We like our meat in this family
husband also suffering from heart problems. Meat eaters
Friend 64 cancer meat eater
Sister in laws husband 55 dead cancer meat eater
fathers friend 53 dead cancer meat eater
Uncle 63 dead cancer of the testicles meat eater
Aunt 64 dead cancer of the bowel
Aunt 64 dead cancer of the breast meat eater
Sisters brother in law 66 cancer: Wifes comment “We couldnt stop eating meat.”
Sister bowel problems which lead to some of the colon being taken away meat eater
Brother in law high blood pressure arthritis tinitus meat eater
Sister 61, Helibactor pylory, virtigo, arthritis meat eater
and many more all meat eaters

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17 Joe Leary April 28, 2012 at 8:30 am

Dear Stan,

It’s nice to see someone so passionate about their choices – as long CAFOs exist, radical veganism is probably necessary – but you’re oversimplifying. Not all meat is equal. Pastured meats and fats have a totally different nutrient profile from unpastured. Would you care to clarify whether your loved ones ate straight from the farm, or whether they were aficionados of fast food chains? Also, you make it sound as if your relatives were practically carnivorous.

As a vegetarian for over 13 years (with very little dairy – I was lactose intolerant) taking oil supplements and a daily multivitamin, I often saw blood in my stool and constantly had problems with hemorrhoids, my eczema went absolutely HAYWIRE (large, itchy sores for months at a time), I was constantly tired (I do not drink coffee or soda and rarely drink tea) and my eye sockets were dark. Ultimately, I went into a hormone imbalance and my sex drive plummeted in 2009. I was advised to eat fish now and again. It helped.

I recently went on the GAPS diet, which involves a lot of pastured animal fats, no grains, no beans, no added sugar, and you have to eat a lot of homemade fermented foods, raw dairy (milk for kefir and yogurt)… I’m getting everything organic, but I know organic is just a label, so I talk to my producers to figure out what they do; most of them just don’t have the money for the certification. My food comes from primarily local producers.

I went from eating fish rarely to eating loads of lamb, beef, chicken, and a bit of pork. You’re telling me the way I eat is making me sick, but I have more color in my skin, no more blood in my stool, my eczema has disappeared altogether, my sleeping and energy patterns are more consistent, and a very fit body is reappearing from beneath a layer of fat I can only attribute to the consumption of grains, fish oil supplements, and a lack of animal fats in my diet.

While I will most likely never follow a vegan or vegetarian diet again, I think they’re a good way to become conscious about what you eat and how it gets to your table. I’m glad it’s working for you, but it’s not the only way, and definitely not the right way for most people.

By the way, do you realize you were arguing with this guy? No offense, but there’s something of a credibility gap between you and he.

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18 Stan Johnson April 29, 2012 at 3:33 am

Joe,#
It makes no difference whether its pasteured or not. Meat is meat fat is fat, cholesterol is cholesterol, cancer is cancer and so on. Your way off track with your skin problem I think your making the wrong association because my skin itchiness cleared up when i stopped dairy products. and your skin colour thats probably down to high blood pressure. Ive never been constipated for over 20 years while my meat eatuing friends constantly have this trouble. Dark skin under the eyes is due to skin thickness in that area so as youve put on weight its added fat to your face,

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19 Joe Leary April 29, 2012 at 9:32 am

Stan,

I didn’t suggest you were wrong about your body; that would be rather egotistical. But since turnabout is fair play, my grandparents ate traditional food. My grandfather was an active jogger into his late 80s. My great-grandmother went dancing 3 times a week until she was 93. When you can do that, get back to me. 😉 (Tongue firmly in cheek.)

Better yet, let’s drop the “I’m right, you’re wrong” attitude, shall we? It’s more than a little presumptuous to pretend you know anything about me or my body. I weigh 128 pounds and have never been overweight. My top weight was 150lbs. I have a smaller waist than I did in high school. I have never had high blood pressure or cholesterol.

According to the GAPS diet, dairy sensitivity usually comes from eating pasteurized dairy. Raw milk contains the enzyme we need to digest milk protein. Since I began GAPS, I am no longer sensitive to milk, even if pasteurized. My intestinal lining is solid.

As for the constipation: remember, vegetarianism gave me bloody stool. Forgive me if I’m not chomping at the bit to get back to that. GAPS gives me no constipation issues whatsoever. That stopped the instant I gave up grains and beans. GAPS patients have more issues with diarrhea than anything – it’s a detoxifying diet. No issues there, either, unless I eat too much fruit!

Re: pasturing not making a difference. I’m trying it out on my own body, and I’m satisfied that it’s sound knowledge. If you disagree, take it up with Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride and Sally Fallon – I am not the source, and I’m arguing nothing other than that I’ve followed the GAPS protocol correctly and am seeing results.

It may be worth your while to study the science behind these diets so you can test your anti-meat hypothesis with rigor. Otherwise, your “evidence” – your relatives’ health – is purely anecdotal. I can see scientific evidence is a big deal to you; I’m sorry to remind you that anecdotal evidence doesn’t qualify as “scientific”. Hence, “my meat-eating friends having constipation” and “my relatives ate meat, so clearly that is why they died” are quite poor arguments.

I noticed you didn’t answer my question, which is a convenient omission. I assume the answer wouldn’t have helped your argument? Unless you’re inclined to correct, I’ll assume that your relatives ate literally nothing but fast food CAFO meat and that we can’t simply rule out every other issue – dietary, social, environmental, genetic, etc. – that might have contributed to their deaths.

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20 Stan Johnson April 30, 2012 at 1:56 am

Sorry but epidemiological studies beat meat and dairy hype any day in my book. Im not surprised vegetarianism gave you bloody stools because dairy is so bloody (excuse the pun) unhealthy anyway vegetarians are just kidding themselves, you have to be a true vegetarian. All the wannabe vegetarians I have known say they are, when really they are not, maybe your one of those who says: ‘Well I eat chicken and fish but Im a vegtarian or I eat eggs so Im a vegetarian.’ In my book you cant grow chickens or fish in your garden and eggs are a living thing not a vegetable. As far as milk is concerned if you think drinking the milk of another species is natural then you need to ask yourself why when everywhere in nature no other animal does this. Man is the only species that steals the milk of another species or drinks it after developing from a baby, we lose the ability to metabloise milk after the age of 5 years so how can it be natural or healthy? its no more normal than drinking giraffe milk or dog milk. If your 128 pounds then your either a very small man or your seriously under weight and should see a nutritionist. We no longer have the enzyme to metabolise milk after 5 years old. By the way I dont take up things with people who just want to justify eating the diet of death. Science is mostly what result you want to get depending on who does the study and for whom. I did answer your question you havent read my reply properly non eat fast foods. Since these relatives live all around me I think i know which factors are involved in their lifestyles ie tnhey breath the same air as myself. Genetic? that I think speaks for itself, genetics is a smokescreen, excuse for the medical professions inability to cure disease and as they are of my blood, how can that effect them if it had I would be as sick as them.

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21 Joe Leary April 30, 2012 at 8:29 am

“Sorry but epidemiological studies beat meat and dairy hype any day in my book.”

Brian Peskin, who Kim Greenhouse interviewed recently, would say “studies are not science”. I agree!

RE: “As far as milk is concerned if you think drinking the milk of another species is natural then you need to ask yourself why when everywhere in nature no other animal does this.”

It really tickles me that you wrote that, Stan:

All found on Google images, none photoshopped. Humans are the only animals with the ability to MILK another animal – they aren’t unique in DRINKING the milk of another species. Gripe about how we don’t produce lactase: raw milk has it, so I’m not alarmed.

Re: “natural” – you can’t escape nature. And as for “normality”, I am not particularly averse to drinking the milk of any animal, if I have to – giraffe, dog, or otherwise – but domesticated animals who produce a good amount of it are the most reasonable source, and that’s the reason we get milk from them. Calling it “stealing” is politicizing nature; you don’t need to steal it to get it. You trade it for shelter, food, and love. Cows are very sweet beings, and they don’t mind, especially when you treat them gently and honorably.

Furthermore: you seem to abide by a strict definition of “nature” – how, then, can you justify agriculture, taking supplements, or going to the gym?

“I did answer your question you havent read my reply properly non eat fast foods. Since these relatives live all around me I think i know which factors are involved in their lifestyles ie tnhey breath the same air as myself.”

You didn’t say whether they ate all pastured meat and fats – you just said they were meat eaters, and conveniently omitted the rest of their diet.

You listened to your body when you felt sick eating the way you did, and it led you to veganism. I’m doing the same, and it’s led me elsewhere, and it’s working for me just as well as you say a vegan diet works for you. Why don’t you stop insisting that I’m wrong and be happy that I’ve empowered myself to be healthy?

None of us has the monopoly on correctness, Stan. Veganism is not the only answer, and it’s not the right one for everyone. As is common with many passionate vegans, you’re failing to empathize with the lack of universality exhibited by the human body, and ignoring good science because it doesn’t jive with your political sensibilities and because you fancy yourself such an expert. Neither make you right or endearing.

By the way: yes, I am a small man; yes, I tried all kinds of vegetarianism: raw, lacto-ovo, strict, and vegan. I gave them all a fair shot over 13 years. None of them worked. May we stop making assumptions now? There’s no need for these straw men.

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22 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 2:16 am

photoshopped photographs is my reply to that. Animals cant willy nilly drink the milk of another species ask any vet. In an emergency and obviously if these animals have no natural mother the need for liquid will always be dominant but after birth none steal from another so you conveniently passed aside the fact that i said after they are a baby. We steal it, its not given willigly Theres a difference between consent and robbery like the poor animals who are raped and forced into milk production and whose children are taken away usually at birth. Go ahead kill yourself with meat and dairy.

23 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 2:24 am

Jack,
Photoshopped pictures and after our baby years we are the only species that steal a mothers milk. You can always find one photopgraph like a dog waterskiing that doesnt mean all dogs waterski. Its obviously an emergency if its genuine at all.

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24 Joe Leary May 1, 2012 at 7:56 am

Stan,

1. I’m not Jack, I’m Joe.
2. No, the pictures were not photoshopped.
3. Of course I wouldn’t claim that cross-species nursing is the norm, but you SPECIFICALLY said “…no other animal does this,” – and that’s clearly untrue.

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25 Stan Johnson May 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Joe,
Your splitting hairs

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26 Joe Leary May 8, 2012 at 7:17 am

Good comeback. Couldn’t find anything else to copy-and-paste from the internet? …which I can tell you did, by the way, because your most recent comments have no spelling or punctuation errors – unlike everything else you’ve written.

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27 Stan Johnson May 8, 2012 at 9:23 am

‘…because your most recent comments have no spelling or punctuation errors – unlike everything else you’ve written.’ Such As?

28 Joe Leary May 8, 2012 at 9:45 am

“If a kitten drinks dog milk it could cause constipation and diahrea which could be fatal to the kitten”

Edpidemiology is a science.”

“We get milk from animals because we steal it they dont come up to you and say ok put me on the rape rack and thats the milk induties word for it…”

“It makes no difference whether its pasteured or not.”

Your way off track with your skin problem I think your making the wrong association…” (“your” is possessive; “you’re” means “you are”.)

“Ive never been constipated for over 20 years while my meat eatuing friends constantly have this trouble.”

“maybe your one of those who says: ‘Well I eat chicken and fish but Im a vegtarian or I eat eggs so Im a vegetarian.’”

“Man is the only species that steals the milk of another species or drinks it after developing from a baby, we lose the ability to metabloise milk after the age of 5 years…”

That’s a nice representative sample. As for the punctuation errors, let’s just say you’re missing a lot of periods and commas. I wouldn’t have been so pedantic as to actually point these out, but you *did* ask.

29 Stan Johnson June 2, 2012 at 11:11 am

They aren’t spelling mistakes (doesnt take a genius to see that ) they are typing mistakes. It’s quite easy to miss the correct key, when your typing fast, and I see no need to add commas when I reply to someone like you, because it takes more time and I don’t have a lot of that. So where’s your argument? I was actually doing a degree in English before my journalism course. I had the same attacks from vivisectors many years ago because they couldn’t win the argument. They even resorted to libel on the website.

30 Joe Leary June 5, 2012 at 7:58 am

“They aren’t spelling mistakes (doesnt take a genius to see that ) they are typing mistakes.”

And when you don’t make them, I’m guessing you’re copying and pasting. Handwriting analysis. Passing it off as typing error doesn’t explain your grammatical errors. “Your” is still possessive.

“It’s quite easy to miss the correct key, when your typing fast, and I see no need to add commas when I reply to someone like you, because it takes more time and I don’t have a lot of that.”

You obviously have time to keep coming back and beating a dead horse, and to put your sexism on display (“This little girls research is badly written she doesnt offer any scientific evidence and her comments are immature like a love sick teenage girls letter to an agony aunt column.”).

And “someone like me”? You mean someone you insulted for disagreeing with you (politely)? What does that say about someone like you? We don’t have to be rude to each other to disagree, yet you have crammed your personal convictions down other people’s throats the entire time you’ve been responding on this post.

“So where’s your argument?”

My argument all along has been that there are many different ways to be healthy, not just veganism. My research includes all sources, from vegan to traditional, medical to folk wisdom. I’m not even arguing AGAINST vegetarianism. I’m just saying it’s not for everyone. My statement about your spelling and grammar was a poke at you because you obviously think you know everything, and it’s obnoxious.

“I was actually doing a degree in English before my journalism course.”

I wouldn’t have guessed. 😉

“I had the same attacks from vivisectors many years ago because they couldn’t win the argument. They even resorted to libel on the website.”

You’re comparing me with vivisectors now? Unreal.

I don’t have to attack you or resort to libel. My arguments sound reasonable whereas yours sound dogmatic and old-fashioned. Mine didn’t require me to make any assumptions about your health or your body; yours did, and they hurt your argument because you were SO far off base. Neither did mine invite other people to kill themselves with dairy, or insult women.

I’m going to go out on a limb here, but you just might be giving your cause a bad name.

31 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 2:44 am

Jack,
I’m amazed that you dont seem to know the difference between studies and epidemiology. Edpidemiology is a science.We get milk from animals because we steal it they dont come up to you and say ok put me on the rape rack and thats the milk induties word for it What if we made a woman pregnant as soon as they had a child/ there do you think woman would agree with that. And as soon as they cow cant yield any appreciable amount of milk its murdered just like its child for veal.

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32 Joe Leary May 1, 2012 at 8:00 am

Again: Joe, not Jack.

You’re talking about CAFOs and industrial farming. I support neither, and my meat and milk does not come from those awful environments. I’m a fan of Philip Lymbery. Have you heard Kim’s interview with him?

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33 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 2:57 am

If a kitten drinks dog milk it could cause constipation and diahrea which could be fatal to the kitten

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34 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 3:07 am

The males, because they cannot produce milk and are considered low-quality beef, are chained up into crates so small they cannot turn around, and left there with others in the dark for up to five months until they are ready to be slaughtered for veal. Females are placed in solitary confinement in small plastic sheds called “hutches” where they are fed a formula until they grow old enough to become replacement cows. Once they reach estrous, they are forcibly impregnated (sometimes in what are known as “rape racks”). After nine months of pregnancy, they’ll give birth and then be forcibly impregnated again. On larger dairy farms and in winter, the cows may be inside nearly the entire day. Because dairy cows are fed, bred, and given hormones so they’ll produce up to 3-10 times the milk their grandmothers produced, up to one third of dairy cows suffer from the painful utter infection, mastitis.

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35 Stan Johnson May 1, 2012 at 3:22 am

Dogs should never be given:
Milk and milk-based products can cause diarrhea and other digestive upset as well as set up food allergies (which often manifest as itchiness). Hedgehogs also should never be given milk.

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36 Stan Johnson May 8, 2012 at 9:17 am

Its the usual line from a dumbell like you if you cant beat them attack them. by the way I have a degree in journalism what do you have. Its what you say not how you write it.

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37 Joe Leary May 8, 2012 at 9:35 am

I have Bachelor and Master of Science degrees in business.

So far you’ve repeatedly implied that everyone who follows these nutritional protocols is an idiot. You’ve also invited me to go “kill myself with meat and dairy”. Now you’re calling me a “dumbell” (sic) and accusing ME of attacking YOU.

You’re a bold man, Mr. Johnson. I’d respect that if it wasn’t so myopic. I clearly attempted to be polite even as I disagreed with you. You wouldn’t even meet me halfway.

You’re clearly not interested in this new knowledge, and you already obviously know everything about health and wellness – so honestly, what do you expect now beyond snide remarks?

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